Is there a case of anyone killed by extreme Christians? What about the Inquisition or the Crusades?

Posted: July 22, 2018 in Uncategorized

“Killed by extreme Christians” is a bit of an oxymoron, a contradiction in terms. I’m going to catch holy hell (no pun intended!) from those who love to blast me for committing the “no true Scotsman” fallacy, but they never seem to realize that it just doesn’t apply here. The fallacy as defined by Wikipedia is: “No true Scotsman or appeal to purity is an informal fallacy in which one attempts to protect a universal generalization from counterexamples by changing the definition in an ad hoc fashion to exclude the counterexample.” (No true Scotsman – Wikipedia) The key phrase is the Latin one, ad hoc

It is similar to asking if there are “killer pacifists” or “meat-eating vegans”; I guess there might be pacifists who are driven to rage or vegans who “cheat”, but that would really disqualify them from their professed beliefs. Furthermore, I think the founder of the faith has the right to set the rules for what constitutes a true follower, just like the creator of a game has the right to make the rules. If a basketball player wants to run with the ball, James Naismith has the right to cry out from his grave, “Not a true basketball player!” The author of this article, The No True Scotsman Fallacy Fallacy Fallacy, does a pretty good job of refuting what he would say I am guilty of, which is the “no true Scotsman fallacy fallacy”, except for two things: he says, “It is a straw man to say that atheists regard anyone a Christian who claims to be a Christian. I have yet to see an atheist who holds that position.” What? I see that all the time! In fact, it is the single most used argument against my position. His second error is when he says, “The Webster Concise Dictionary, a Christian is ‘professing or following the religion of Christ’. I’ve searched in vain for a definition of ‘true Christian’. Who is a true Christian if not the person who reads and interprets the bible and tries his best to live his life accordingly?” Sorry, old boy, but Webster is not the one who defines a true Christian! Jesus is; and no, according to him, a true Christian is not someone who “reads and interprets the bible (sic) and tries his best to live his life accordingly”.

So what did Jesus say? A few things, but mainly:

Matthew 13:24–30; there are definitely false teachers, false Christians, if you will, even in the “church”.

Matthew 7:15–20; true Christians: bearers of good fruit (this can mean two things: the kind of people a teacher or prophet “wins over” and those who exhibit or bear the fruits of the Spirit mentioned in Galatians5:22–23); false Christians: those who bear bad fruit .

Matthew 7:21–23; true Christians: “…only the one(s) who do(es) the will of my Father who is in heaven.” “Many will say to me on that day, ‘Lord, Lord, did we not prophesy in your name and in your name drive out demons and in your name perform many miracles?’

“Then I will tell them plainly, ‘I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!’”

Matthew 25:31–46; Sheep (true Christians): provide food for the hungry, water for the thirsty, comfort and shelter to the stranger, clothing for the unclothed, compassion for the prisoner. Goats (Chinos): do not do the above.

The Apostle Paul expounded on the Lord’s teachings in Romans 12:9–21:

“Let love be genuine. Abhor what is evil; hold fast to what is good. Love one another with brotherly affection. Outdo one another in showing honor. Do not be slothful in zeal, be fervent in spirit, serve the Lord. Rejoice in hope, be patient in tribulation, be constant in prayer. Contribute to the needs of the saints and seek to show hospitality.

“Bless those who persecute you; bless and do not curse them. Rejoice with those who rejoice, weep with those who weep. Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all. Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God, for it is written, ‘Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.’ To the contrary, ‘if your enemy is hungry, feed him; if he is thirsty, give him something to drink; for by so doing you will heap burning coals on his head.’ Do not be overcome by evil, but overcome evil with good.”

Now, take the long list of horrors perpetrated by “Christians”, from the wicked popes to the Inquisitors to Colonel Chivington’s (former Methodist pastor!) massacre of the Cheyenne at Sand Creek to lynchings to whatever, and ask, “Did those people follow Christ and engage in the Father’s will? Did they function like Paul said above?” No and no. They were basketball players who carried the ball…constantly and consistently, unrepentantly. Paul said of those people “But now I am writing to you that you must not associate with anyone who claims to be a brother or sister but is sexually immoral or greedy, an idolater or slanderer, a drunkard or swindler. Do not even eat with such people.

“What business is it of mine to judge those outside the church? Are you not to judge those inside? God will judge those outside. ‘Expel the wicked person from among you.’” (1 Corinthians 5:11–13; emphasis mine) Sadly, even supposed evangelicals in America have reversed Paul’s injunction, judging the wicked outside the church, and having full fellowship with the wicked inside the church. I beg forgiveness for this.

“The evidence of a true Christian is displayed in both faith and action. ‘If anyone is in Christ, he is a new creation; the old has gone, the new has come!’ (2 Corinthians 5:17). James says, ‘I will show you my faith by my works’ (James 2:18). Jesus put it this way: ‘I am the light of the world. Whoever follows me will never walk in darkness, but will have the light of life’ (John 8:12). A true Christian will show his faith by how he lives.” What is a true Christian?

So, to answer your question (finally! I know…), there have been many horrible atrocities committed by people who have cried and will, on the Day of Judgment, cry, “Lord! Lord!” only for Jesus to tell them, “I never knew you. Away from me, you evildoers!” and “Depart from me, you who are cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels.”

Does that answer your question?

Edit: I will answer the common complaint expressed so eloquently by Mr. Knight: “Your own holy book condones foul and immoral acts including genocide and child murder so just don’t launch into a diatribe of shit excusing Christianity just because it does fit how you’d like it to be.” The Bible says, “And thou shalt not let any of thy seed pass through the fire to Molech, neither shalt thou profane the name of thy God: I am the LORD.” (Leviticus 18:21) The italicized phrase is mentioned several times, and was considered a terrible sin. Why? The Canaanite god, Molech (Moloch, Milcom, or Malcam) was a hungry god, and very particular in his dietary needs: he required children, infants, babies. So, the Canaanite priests would heat the bronze hands of the hungry god until they glowed red hot, then they would place the children on them—alive—to be incinerated. That is what the phrase “passing through the fire” is referring to. It is said that the temple musicians would beat their drums and raise the other instruments to a loud crescendo in order to drown out the screams of the burning children. They also practiced temple prostitution, homosexuality, bestiality, and were a fierce, warlike people. “The Phoenicians were a loosely gathered group of people who inhabited Canaan (modern-day Lebanon, Syria, and Israel) between 1550 BC and 300 BC. In addition to sexual rituals, Moloch worship included child sacrifice, or ‘passing children through the fire.’ It is believed that idols of Moloch were giant metal statues of a man with a bull’s head. Each image had a hole in the abdomen and possibly outstretched forearms that made a kind of ramp to the hole. A fire was lit in or around the statue. Babies were placed in the statue’s arms or in the hole. When a couple sacrificed their firstborn, they believed that Moloch would ensure financial prosperity for the family and future children.” Who was Moloch/Molech? “In 1921 the largest cemetery of sacrificed infants in the ancient Near East was discovered at Carthage. It is well established that this rite of child sacrifice originated in Phoenicia, ancient Israel’s northern neighbor, and was brought to Carthage by its Phoenician colonizers.[2] Hundreds of burial urns filled with the cremated bones of infants, mostly newborns but even some children up to age six years old, as well as animals have been uncovered at Carthage.

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“They were buried there between the 8th century B.C. and the fall of Carthage during the third Punic War in 146 B.C. On the burial monuments that sometimes accompanied the urns, there was often inscribed the name or symbol of the goddess Tanit, the main Phoenician female deity, and her consort Ba’al Hammon. Infants and children were regularly sacrificed to this divine couple.” (Abortion and the Ancient Practice of Child Sacrifice) The Canaanites were also a Phoenician people.

In WWII, we fought against an equally reprehensible people: the Nazis and Axis powers. We bombed many of their cities back to the stone age. We firebombed Tokyo, and ultimately incinerated Hiroshima and Nagasaki with atomic bombs. The victims included thousands of babies and children. Only die-hard pacifists ever decry this killing of innocent life. Why? Because the cause is seen as a just one, stopping an evil from growing, even cutting it off completely.

Here’s the greatest inconsistency, however, even hypocrisy: Critics like to howl and wail that no “loving God” would allow a horror like the Holocaust: “Why didn’t God do something?!” They also howl and wail with equal anguish over the “genocide” ( a spurious accusation if there ever was one*) of the Canaanites, who were as wicked as the Nazis. So, they complain when God doesn’t intervene when nations commit atrocities, and they complain when he does! Can’t win.

In reality, these people simply hate the idea of a God who commands obedience, for it is they who wish to be the “god” of their lives. It is the placement of MAN on the throne that decides right and wrong, moral and immoral, that breeds the very atrocities they “blame God” for. It is interesting in some of the comments I receive, how so many of them seethe with a hatred and a rage that is very much like…the people they hate.


*genocide: the deliberate killing of a large group of people, especially those of a particular ethnic group or nation. (genocide – Google Search) What the Israelites did was not genocide, for they did not kill them because of their ethnicity, but because of their detestable practices, including child sacrifice. The “good news” for the critics is that the Israelites never did annihilate the Canaanites; in fact at least one group made a treaty with them, and might have eventually assimilated. No, because they did not drive them out, those that remained were a “thorn in the flesh” of the Israelites, often causing them to stray and engage in the same detestable practices. Further, a careful reading of the text, beginning with the Exodus from Egypt, would reveal that God never intended for them to go to war with them anyway. God promised that if the Israelites remained faithful and didn’t whine and complain, that He himself would “drive them out”, not destroy them.

The Canaanites also had at least 40 years to either get out or repent, as twice, the text tells us that they KNEW the Israelites were coming, KNEW their intentions, and KNEW their greatness in battle and the greatness of their God. When the spies who were sent in to reconnoiter Jericho were taken in by Rahab, she told them: “I know that the Lord has given you this land and that a great fear of you has fallen on us, so that all who live in this country are melting in fear because of you. We have heard how the Lord dried up the water of the Red Sea for you when you came out of Egypt, and what you did to Sihon and Og, the two kings of the Amorites east of the Jordan, whom you completely destroyed. When we heard of it, our hearts melted in fear and everyone’s courage failed because of you, for the Lord your God is God in heaven above and on the earth below.

“Now then, please swear to me by the Lord that you will show kindness to my family, because I have shown kindness to you. Give me a sure sign that you will spare the lives of my father and mother, my brothers and sisters, and all who belong to them—and that you will save us from death.” (Joshua 2:9–13; emphasis mine) Rahab and her family lived, and she eventually married into what became the royal house of Judah, and was an ancestor of…Jesus Christ!

Similarly, a Canaanite people called the Gibeonites, who made the treaty with Israel told Joshua: “Your servants have come from a very distant country because of the fame of the Lord your God. For we have heard reports of him: all that he did in Egypt, and all that he did to the two kings of the Amorites east of the Jordan—Sihon king of Heshbon, and Og king of Bashan, who reigned in Ashtaroth.” (Joshua 9:9–10) It was a trick, however, but because the Israelites made an oath to protect them and not fight them, they had to uphold that oath and let them live.

See also, Is God Immoral for Killing Innocent Children?

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